Julia Baird joins Dr Darren Saunders, Ming Long, Yun Jiang and Greg Sheridan to discuss divisions between state and federal leaders over COVID, confusion in the vaccine rollout plus pressures on Chinese students in Australia.

Ellen Fanning joins Dr Norman Swan, Jacqui Munro, Malcolm Farr and Sonia Arakkal to discuss the government's four step plan for getting out of the pandemic, cuts to international arrivals and where we go for wellbeing advice.