Ellen Fanning, Norman Swan, Nyadol Nyuon, Deborah Cheetham and Shane Wright discuss the Biloela family's case, NSW Police crackdown on those ignoring public health orders, and NZ's relationship with First Nations people.

Ellen Fanning joins Arif Hussein, Mariam Veiszadeh, Chris Barrie and Diana Sayed to discuss the situation in Afghanistan. Almost 20 years after troops went into the country, the capital Kabul has fallen to the Taliban.