Katie Couric, former host of The Today Show and CBS Evening News anchor, tells the story of how the internet changed journalism and politics. She talks to Jon about her famous sit-down with then-Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin, what she learned as co-chair of the Aspen Institute's Commission on Information Disorder, and why she's excited to let her voice emerge as she manages her own news outlet, Katie Couric Media. As a bonus: halfway through Katie flips the Offline script and interviews Jon.

Max Fisher's new book "The Chaos Machine" was written with Offline's audience in mind. He sits down with Jon to talk about what his interviews with researchers, psychologists, while blowers, and Silicon Valley executives taught him about social media's effects on our brains, our culture, and our politics. Tracing the creation of the Facebook newsfeed to the election of Donald Trump, he argues the the fundamental design of social media platforms themselves have literally rewired our brains.