Chris Hayes, host of MSNBC's All in with Chris Hayes, sits down with Jon to talk about the ways the internet has reshaped what we can hear online, creating an era of mass fame. Pulling from his New Yorker essay "On the Internet, We're Always Famous," Chris explains his distinction between attention and recognition and makes the case that this new era isn't just bad for our society, it's bad for our souls.

Ben Collins covers disinformation, extremism, and the internet for NBC News. This week, he's reported on the shooting in Buffalo, combing through the killer's chat logs to make sense of the internet's role in his radicalization. He sits down with Jon to make sense of it all, explaining the ways sites like 4Chan serve as breeding grounds for extremism and what it's going to take for us to face this hate and violence head on.