As the Trump administration targets the federal workforce, we're joined by Michael Lewis, editor of and contributor to the New York Times bestselling collection "WHO IS GOVERNMENT?: The Untold Story of Public Service." Together, they explore the vital yet uncelebrated work of civil servants, discuss why negative perceptions of them persist, and consider what we may lose amid DOGE's chainsawing. Plus, learn what your relationship with your mother says about your relationship with government.

As the Trump administration's attacks on diversity initiatives intensify, we're joined by Heather McGhee, author of "The Sum of Us." Together, they explore the myths fueling anti-DEI sentiment, examine how the Trump administration weaponizes racial grievance to protect powerful interests, and discuss how a truly inclusive society benefits everyone, not just those historically excluded. Plus, Jon reacts to the deportation of Kilmar Ábrego García, the administration's gleeful response and Harvard's stand against Trump.