Sally Scales has been described as feisty, tough and determined. The youngest person elected Chair of the APY Lands Executive Board talks to Barrie about being raised by strong leaders, and becoming the voice of her elders.

Dennis Richardson has led DFAT, the Defence Department, ASIO, and spent time in Washington as Ambassador to the US. He speaks with Barrie about a lifetime of public service and what goes on in the corridors of Canberra.